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Odgovori #180 : 29 Junij 2009, 12:02:22
Čedalje pogostejši in če jo stakneš tudi hudičevo nevaren - pa ne samo za psa. Če cepiš spomladi, imaš psa zaščitenega celo sezono (večinoma se okužijo, če pijejo vodo, v katero se hodijo kopat - in lulat- podgane).


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Odgovori #181 : 29 Junij 2009, 12:30:44
marsikdo pa cepljenje manjših psov proti leptospirozi odsvetuje, ker so pogosti stranski učinki, ki se neredko končajo tudi smrtno.
jaz mojih nisem cepila zato, ker nisem našla niti enega veterinarja, ki bi mi to svetoval. vsi so rekli, da lahko cepijo, vendar da odsvetujejo.

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Odgovori #182 : 29 Junij 2009, 13:33:22
Tekst je sicer v ang. ampak mogoče bo komu interesanten...

Dr. W. Jean Dodd's vaccination protocol is now being adopted by ALL 27 North American veterinary schools. The veterinary schools are now going to be teaching that over-vaccination of pets (once a year" boosters") is not only not necessary, but in some cases can be harmful or deadly! It has information for both dogs and cats. There still is an ongoing study regarding the Rabies vaccine. Most states now allow (reluctantly) 3year Rabies, but the study is collecting data on whether or not even that may be too much. They are looking at 8 or 10 year Rabies!

If you're concerned with immune levels, have the vet run a Titer test. THEN and only then, if the levels are below acceptable, should you have a booster. After all, when is the last time you had a "booster" for smallpox, or whooping cough, or anything else you had shots for as a child? Immune systems work the same in all mammals, and the concept that pets have to have yearly shots doesn't make any more sense than if you had have shots every year. If mammals’ immune systems were that weak in fending off these things, all of them, us included, would have been extinct years ago!

VACCINATION NEWS FLASH
All 27 veterinary schools in North America are in the process of changing their protocols for vaccinating dogs and cats. Some of this information will present an ethical & economic challenge to vets, and there will be skeptics. Some organizations have come up with a political compromise suggesting every 3 years to appease those who fear loss of income vs. those concerned about potential side effects. Politics, traditions or the doctor's economic well being should not be a factor in medical decision.

NEW PRINCIPLES OF IMMUNOLOGY
Dogs and cats immune systems mature fully at 6 months. If a modified live virus (MLV) vaccine is given after 6 months of age, it produces an immunity which is good for the life of the pet (i.e: canine distemper, parvo, feline distemper). If another MLV vaccine is given a year later, the antibodies from the first vaccine neutralize the antigens of the second vaccine and there is little or no effect. The titer is not “boosted” nor is more “memory cells induced."
Not only are annual boosters for parvo and distemper unnecessary, they subject the pet to potential risks of allergic reactions and immune-mediated hemolytic anemia. "There is no scientific documentation to back up label claims for annual administration of MLV vaccines." Puppies receive antibodies through their mother's milk. This natural protection can last 8-14 weeks. Puppies & kittens should NOT be vaccinated at LESS than 8 weeks.
Maternal immunity will neutralize the vaccine and little protection (0-38%) will be produced. Vaccination at 6 weeks will, however, delay the timing of the first highly effective vaccine. Vaccinations given 2 weeks apart suppress rather than stimulate the immune system.
A series of vaccinations is given starting at 8 weeks and given 3-4 weeks apart up to 16 weeks of age. Another vaccination given sometime after 6 months of age (usually at 1 year 4 months) will provide lifetime immunity.

CURRENT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DOGS
Distemper & Parvo *
"According to Dr. Schultz, AVMA, 8-15-95, when a vaccinations series given at 2, 3 & 4 months and again at 1 year with MLV, puppies and kitten program memory cells that survive for life, providing lifelong immunity." Dr. Carmichael at Cornell and Dr. Schultz has studies showing immunity against challenge at 2-10 years for canine distemper & 4 years for parvovirus. Studies for longer duration are pending. "
There are no new strains of parvovirus as one manufacturer would like to suggest. Parvovirus vaccination provides cross immunity for all types." Hepatitis (Adenovirus) is one of the agents known to be a cause of kennel cough. Only vaccines with CAV-2 should be used as CAV-1 vaccines carry the risk of "hepatitis blue-eye" reactions & kidney damage.
Bordetella Parainfluenza:
Commonly called "Kennel cough". Recommended only for those dogs boarded, groomed, taken to dog shows, or housed where exposed to a lot of dogs. The intranasal vaccine provides more complete and more rapid onset of immunity with less chance of reaction. Immunity requires 72 hours and does not protect from every cause of kennel cough. Immunity is of short duration (4 to 6 months).*
RABIES
There have been no reported cases of rabid dogs or cats in Harris, Montgomery or Ft. Bend Counties [ Texas ] but there have been rabid skunks and bats so the potential exists. It is a killed vaccine and must be given every year.
Lyme disease
Lyme disease is a tick born disease which can cause lameness, kidney failure and heart disease in dogs. Ticks can also transmit the disease to humans. The original Ft. Dodge killed bacteria has proven to be the most effective vaccine. Lyme disease prevention should emphasize early removal of ticks. Amitraz collars are more effective than Top Spot, as amitraz paralyzes the tick's mouthparts preventing transmission of disease.

**VACCINATIONS NOT RECOMMENDED* *
Multiple components in vaccines compete with each other for the immune system and result in lesser immunity for each individual disease as well as increasing the risk of a reaction. Canine Corona Virus is only a disease of puppies. It is rare, self limiting (dogs get well in 3 days without treatment). Cornell & Texas A&M have only diagnosed one case each in the last 7 years. Corona virus does not cause disease in adult dogs.*
Leptospirosis vaccine is a common cause of adverse reactions in dogs. Most of the clinical cases of lepto reported in dogs in the US are caused by serovaars (or types) grippotyphosa and bratsilvia. The vaccines contain different serovaars eanicola and ictohemorrhagica. Cross protection is not provided and protection is short lived . Lepto vaccine is immuno-supressive to puppies less than 16 weeks.

NEW RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CATS
Feline vaccine related Fibrosarcoma is a type of terminal cancer related in inflammation caused by rabies & leukemia vaccines. This cancer is thought to affect 1 in 10,000 cats vaccinated. Vaccines with aluminum adjuvant, an ingredient included to stimulate the immune system, have been implicated as a higher risk. We now recommend a non-adjuvanted rabies vaccine for cats. Testing by Dr. Macy, Colorado State, has shown this vaccine to have t he lowest tissue reaction and although there is no guarantee that a vaccine induced sarcoma will not develop, the risk will be much lower than with other vaccines.*
Program injectable 6 month flea prevention for cats has been shown to be very tissue reactive & therefore has the potential of inducing an injection site fiborsarcoma. If your cats develops a lump at the site of a vaccination, we recommend that it be removed ASAP, within 3-12 weeks.*
Feline Leukemia Virus Vaccine. This virus is the leading viral killer of cats. The individuals most at risk of infection are young outdoor cats, indoor/outdoor cats and cats exposed to such individuals. Indoor only cats with no exposure to potentially infected cats are unlikely to become infected. All cats should be tested prior to vaccination. Cats over one year of age are naturally immune to Fel.V whether they are vaccinated or not, so annual vaccination of adult cats is NOT necessary. The incubation period of Feli ne leukemia can be over 3 years, so if your cat is in the incubation state of the disease prior to vaccination, the vaccine will not prevent the disease. *
Feline Panleukopenia Virus Vaccine. Also called feline distemper is a highly contagious and deadly viral disease of kittens. It's extremely hardy and is resistant to extremes in temperature and to most available disinfectants. Although an effective treatment protocol is available, it is expensive to treat because of the serious nature of the disease and the continued presence of virus in the environment, vaccination is highly recommended for all kittens. Cats vaccinated at 6 month or older with either killed or MLV vaccine will produce immunity good for life. Adult cats do NOT need this vaccine.
Feline Calicivirus/ Herpesvirus Vaccine. Responsible for 80-90% of infectious feline upper respiratory tract diseases. The currently available injectable vaccines will minim ize the severity of upper respiratory infections, although none will prevent disease in all situations.* *Intranasal vaccines are more effective at preventing the disease entirely. Don't worry about normal sneezing for a couple of days. Because intranasal vaccines produce an immunity of shorter durations, annual vaccination is recommended.

** VACCINES NOT RECOMMENDED**
Chlamydia or pneumonitis. The vaccine produces a short (2 month) duration of immunity and accounts for less than 5% of upper respiratory infections in cats. The risks outweigh the benefits.*
Feline Infectious Peritonitis. A controversial vaccine. Most kittens that contract FIP become infected during the first 3 months of life. The vaccine is labeled for use at 16 weeks. All 27 vet schools do not recommend the vaccine.*
Bordetella A new vaccine for feline bordetella has been introduced. Dr. Wolfe of Texas A&M says that bordetella is a normal flora and does not caus e disease in adult cats. Dr. Lappin of Colorado State says that a review of the Colorado State medical records reveals not one case diagnosed in 10 years.

NEW DEVELOPMENTS:
Giardia is the most common intestinal parasite of humans in North America , 30% or more of all dogs & cats are infected with giardia. It has now been demonstrated that humans can transmit giardia to dogs & cats and viceversa.*
Heartworm preventative must be given year-round in Houston .
**VACCINES BADLY NEEDED**
New vaccines in development include: Feline Immunodeficiency Virus and cat scratch fever vaccine for cats and Ehrlichia [one of the other tick diseases, much worse than Lyme] for dogs.

THE VIEW FROM THE TRENCHES; BUSINESS ASPECTS
Most vets recommend annual boosters and most kennel operators require them. For years, the pricing structure of vets has misled clients into thinking that the inherent value of an annual o ffice visit was in the "shots". They failed to emphasize the importance of a physical exam for early detection of treatable diseases. It is my hope that you will continue to require Rabies & Kennel cough and emphasize the importance of a recent vet exam. I also hope you will accept the new protocols and honor these pets as currently vaccinated. Those in the boarding business, who will honor the new vaccine facilities, are reluctant to change.

CONCLUSION
Dogs & cats no longer need to be vaccinated against distemper, parvo, & feline leukemia every year. Once the initial series of puppy or kitten vaccinations and first annual vaccinations are completed, immunity from MLV vaccines persists for life. It has been shown that cats over 1 year of age are immune to Feline Leukemia whether they have been vaccinated or not. Imagine the money you will save, not to mention fewer risks from side risk of mediated hemolytic anemia and allergic reactions are reduced by less frequent use of vaccines as well as by avoiding unnecessary vaccines such as K-9 Corona virus and chlamydia for cats, as well as ineffective vaccines such as Leptospirosis and FIP. Intranasal vaccine for Rhiotracheitis and Calici virus, two upper respiratory viruses of cats provide more complete protection than injectable vaccines with less risk of serious reactions.
Please consider as current on all vaccinations for boarding purposes.
DOGS Initial series of puppy vaccines
1. Distemper, hepatitis, parvo, parinfluenze - 3 sets one month apart concluding at 16 weeks of age.*
2. Rabies at 16 weeks of age (later is better)
3. Bordetella within last 4-6 months
First annual (usually at 1 year and 4 months of age)*
1. DHP, Parvo, Rabies
2. Bordetella within last 4-6 months 2 years or older
1. Rabies within last year
2. Bordetella within last 4-6 months
3. DHP & Parvo given anytime over 6 months of age, but not necessarily within the last year.
Recommended: Physical exam for transmissible diseases and health risks.
CATS Initial kitten series
1. Distemper [PLP], Rhino Calicivirus, Feline Leukemia Vaccine - 3 sets given one month apart concluding at 16 weeks.
2. Rabies at 16 weeks
First Annual [usually at 1 year and 4 months of age]
1. Distemper (PLP), Rhino Calicivirus, Rabies 2 years or older
1. Rabies within the last year
2. Rhino Calicivirus within last year
3. Distemper and FelV given any time after 6 months of age, but not necessarily with the last year.
Recommended: Physical exam, FeLV/FIV testing, fecal exam for giardia.

Jaz sem najbolj pasji del mojega psa!
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Odgovori #183 : 08 Julij 2009, 09:51:42
Tule mi ni jasno glede stekline .. najprej so proti cepljenju vsako leto, kasneje govorijo o cepljenju z mrtvim virusom, ki drži samo eno leto - kaj sem narobe razumela?  ???
Tekst je sicer v ang. ampak mogoče bo komu interesanten...

Dr. W. Jean Dodd's vaccination protocol is now being adopted by ALL 27 North American veterinary schools. The veterinary schools are now going to be teaching that over-vaccination of pets (once a year" boosters") is not only not necessary, but in some cases can be harmful or deadly! It has information for both dogs and cats. There still is an ongoing study regarding the Rabies vaccine. Most states now allow (reluctantly) 3year Rabies, but the study is collecting data on whether or not even that may be too much. They are looking at 8 or 10 year Rabies!

CURRENT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DOGS
RABIES
There have been no reported cases of rabid dogs or cats in Harris, Montgomery or Ft. Bend Counties [ Texas ] but there have been rabid skunks and bats so the potential exists. It is a killed vaccine and must be given every year.
.. pustimo ob strani dejstvo, da po zakonu pač moramo letno cepiti  ;)



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Odgovori #184 : 12 Januar 2010, 06:44:57
Bilo bi fajn, če bi se dalo zmenit z veterinarjem, da cepi vsako tretje leto, plačam pa vsako leto in dobim nalepko.
Mačko naprimer moram cepit samo vsake 4 leta.



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Odgovori #185 : 09 April 2010, 18:08:11
Tokrat imam pa še jaz eno vprašanje. Ali je normalno da je psu slabo po cepljenju proti steklini? S prejšno psico namreč ni bilo nikdar nikakršnih problemov, pač se je tisti dan pustila malo razvajati in je kakšno urico več odspala. Včeraj sva se šli pa z Lussy cepit, je pa par uric odspala (kar se mi je tudi zdelo popolnoma normalno glede na obnašanje prejšne psice in glede na to da sva cel dan šetali okrog), potem sva bili pa od cca 3h zjutraj dalje pokonci ker je bruhala, in hodila lulat na vsake 5 min etc. Ni pa nič takega pojedla vmes, ker sva bili cel dan skupaj in ni imela prilike :-\. Danes je pa bolj kot ne vredu...



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Odgovori #186 : 10 April 2010, 01:23:45
Ni prav pogosto, se pa dogajajo tudi take reakcije in žal tudi hujše kar upam se ne bo zgodilo v vajinem primeru. Posvet z "vetom".

Lahko pa je vse skupaj posledica, kombinacija, cepljenja in celodnevnega sprehoda. Preobremenitev.


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Odgovori #187 : 11 April 2010, 14:31:13
hvala kodr :)
zdaj je vse vredu. mislim da je bilo oboje skupaj malo preveč zanjo. utrujenost zaradi sprehoda (čeprav pazim da je ne preobremenjujem) in pa stres zaradi obiska pri veterinarju, ceplenje in čipiranje... potem je pa nekako prišlo za njo ??? recimo...



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Odgovori #188 : 11 April 2010, 14:58:16
Teoretični primer - glede datumov me zanima.

Pes je bil nazadnje cepljen 26.6.09, letos ima 24.6.10 v tujini razstavo in potem naprej še potovanje po tujini - Če ga ponovno cepim recimo 17.6.10 bo to vredu ali mora od cepljenja pa do dejanske razstave preteči nekaj časa?



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Odgovori #189 : 11 April 2010, 15:06:50
Pravzaprav bi ga lahko dala ponovno cepit tudi šele 26. 6. 10.


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Odgovori #190 : 11 April 2010, 15:18:15
Ampak bo po razstavi še par dni v tujini - torej bo nazaj v SLO po 26.6 - verjetno je v tem primeru bolje, da ga cepim prej?



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Odgovori #191 : 11 April 2010, 15:23:33
Ja seveda. Par dni prej, ker ni dobro, da je izpostavljen kakšnemu večjemu naporu ali stresu takoj po cepljenju. Ampak tisto, da mora od cepljenja miniti en mesec velja samo za prvo cepljenje ali pa če prekoračiš določen datum.


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Odgovori #192 : 11 April 2010, 16:05:53
Aha. Ok - hvala!



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Odgovori #193 : 17 April 2010, 10:23:42
A psa se lahko cepi, če je na antibiotikih?

:)


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Odgovori #194 : 17 April 2010, 10:52:21
Meni so svetovali, da se počaka še cca 10 dni po prenehanju jemanja antibiotikov.

Pristajati na povprečnost pomeni pristajati na poraz.


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Odgovori #195 : 19 April 2010, 16:47:53
jst bi pa neki uprašala če recimo dobiš kužka starega 2 mesca mora najprej dopolnit 4 mesece da se ga da cepit nato pa moraš počakat še en mesec  ali greš lahko potem takoj na morje ??? ???

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Odgovori #196 : 30 April 2010, 14:43:13
Civava_girl, pri nekaterih veterinarjih se da zmenit, da ti vnaprej nalepijo nalepko, da gres lahko cez mejo, cepijo pa psa sele kasneje...
Jaz sem tako naredila. Sicer imam zdaj se vedno probleme s cepljenjem, ker vedno prestavljamo datume , ampak...
Je tudi nevarnost, da dejansko pes v tem casu stakne kaj, a ne bi vedela, kako pogosto se to zgodi.

Pa tudi, ce bi brala tole temo od zacetka, bi videla, da so napisali, da ni problemov pri prestopu meje. Tudi jaz se nisem dozivela kakega kompliciranja. Seveda pa lahko kdaj naletis na kakega groznega carinika, ki ti lahko zatezi.


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Odgovori #197 : 01 Maj 2010, 11:56:59
hvala za odgovor ;D

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Odgovori #198 : 04 Junij 2010, 14:51:44
Za letošnjo svetovno na Danskem: The dog must have a valid rabies vaccination that has been given at least 21 days prior to departure.

 ??? V čem je fora, da mora biti cepljen vsaj tri tedne pred razstavo? Nisem ziher da razumem. Konkretno (itak verjetno ne greva ampak za vsak slučaj) - mojemu poteče 23.6.2010, na razstavi naj bi bil 25.6. ali to pomeni, da bi ga morala cepiti že ta teden ali kako? Nameravala sem ga sicer okrog 20.6. saj sem ga v tem tednu že cepila za nalezljive.



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Odgovori #199 : 04 Junij 2010, 15:08:17
Ja, tako nekako..
Dobi si enega veterinarja, ki ti bo v knjizico napisal, da je bil sedaj cepljen, cepi ga pa potem okrog 20-ga..



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Odgovori #200 : 04 Junij 2010, 15:16:44
Pa sej velja datum tudi prejšnjega cepljenja ;)


http://blueberry.moj-album.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbKsgaXQy2k&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xB4dbdNSXY&feature=related

Never argue with an idiot; first he will drag you down to his level, then he will beat you with experience :P


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Odgovori #201 : 04 Junij 2010, 17:42:00
@andreja - potem je v bistvu na foro 21 dni po prvem cepljenju ali kaj? Torej bi moralo biti ok ce ga cepim 20. in gre 25. na razstavo vmes mu pa 23. potece?



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Odgovori #202 : 04 Junij 2010, 18:33:39
Sej piše at least...
Kje pa piše koliko največ lahko poteče?

http://blueberry.moj-album.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbKsgaXQy2k&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xB4dbdNSXY&feature=related

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Odgovori #203 : 04 Junij 2010, 19:20:39
Glede na to, da pise "valid rabies vaccination" očitno ne sme potečt, ker potem pac ni več "valid". Verjetno ne bi smel bit problem, če razložiš veterinarju situacijo, cepiš 23., datum pa napiše v knjižico en starejši, kot predlaga sasha.



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Odgovori #204 : 15 Junij 2010, 18:00:29
Za letošnjo svetovno na Danskem: The dog must have a valid rabies vaccination that has been given at least 21 days prior to departure.
Ko preklikaš še ne dve dodatni strani najdeš še dodatek k zgornjemu citatu: If the dog is re-vaccinated before the validation of the prior rabies vaccination expires, the waiting period of 21 days does not apply.

Torej tistih 21 dni velja samo če ti lansko cepljenje že preteče ali če pač cepiš prvič?



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Odgovori #205 : 16 Junij 2010, 12:11:07
Ja, tako, ce cepis, preden lansko potece, lahko cepis tudi nekaj dni pred razstavo. Ocitno potem pri tebi ne bo problema, ce bos psa cepila pred 23.6.



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Odgovori #206 : 16 Junij 2010, 12:30:58
Super - samo da vem da sem prav prevedla - da ne bo potem pred vhodom kakšna panika  :P



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Odgovori #207 : 08 Avgust 2010, 20:48:33
Nisem šla vsega brati, tako da je mogoče že kje napisano.
Ali ste vsi cepili mladiče pri 3 mesecih? Kakšen učinek ima cepivo na tako majhen telešček?
Ali lahko s cepljenjem proti steklini odlašam in do kdaj?



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Odgovori #208 : 08 Avgust 2010, 21:11:39
Jaz sem jo in ni bilo nič narobe.


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Odgovori #209 : 08 Avgust 2010, 21:13:44
Pri nas smo vedno čakali čim več časa oz. dokler nisem cepljenja rabila npr. za odhod na Hrvaško. Eno čivavico sem cepila pri 8 mesecih, drugo pri 10 in stafforda pri 8. Glede na vse kar sem prebrala in slišala sem kar mnenja, da se počaka čim več časa. Nisem pa pri nobenem imela problemov pri cepljenju.


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