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Odgovori #570 : 08 Januar 2008, 01:12:02
Jean najlepša hvala za tole poročilo! Vse sem razumela  ;D
Ja čez nogo hočem da skoči (brez dotika, ker dotiki BOLIJO :D)... enkrat sm ga hotla voult naučit, pa ni znal... zdej pa včasih skoč (ampak ponavadi pozabi dvignit zadnje noge pa se mal zaleti v moje noge), včasih se pa kr hoče odrint (naprimer danes je to skoz počel... noge mam kot bi me nekdo z bičem pretepu :-[).
Problem je pri tem vremenu da se ne morem toliko po tleh valat kot bi želela...

Bom v program še nekaj metov vključila (hvala za nasvet).

To da mi jih nazaj prinese sem ga naučila s tem da mu za distance samo en frizbi mečem. Tudi tukaj na posnetkih se ne sliši da mu govorim "nesi nesi" da jih bližje prinese.

Res hvala za pohvale, sem jih danes kar rabila (po slabem treningu), sem bila kar malo obupana :-[

Mislim da bova kak dan premora vzela... pol pa veselo treniranje naprej.

V gornji radgoni bom z veseljem potrenirala s tabo (da se kak nov met naučim še) in seveda pridem tud 26.1.  ;D

Hvala še enkrat ;)

lp



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Odgovori #571 : 08 Januar 2008, 07:31:59
sam mayča ne vela da si ga tko rezala  :P

sej sm povedala zakaj  :P
nasledn filmčk bo cel OBLUBM! :D


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Odgovori #572 : 09 Januar 2008, 10:04:24
Hey, sorry for the delay in responding. Tuesdays are a heavy teaching day, and I'm coming down with some sort of flu. Have a fever and feel like crap. Very slow-moving, everything is an effort. Poor doggies won't get much running and playing today, I don't have the energy for a long walk.

Maya, great throws, nice variety. Keep practicing for accuracy so Bri can catch them more easily. Your under the leg sidearm was superb. You can try a variation of that, basically the same move, but body position is a bit different and it looks like you're throwing backwards. I can show you if you like.

For the flips, try to place your throws higher and more vertically instead of straight back. She'll get more time in the air. I liked the multiples, Bri caught them well, though I was concerned at first because it looked like you were throwing pretty hard and low right at her. Usually multiples are very short throws. But she caught them well, so maybe you don't need to change that.

I took the liberty of posting both your videos at a US-based frisbee forum (Ron Watson's operation) and asked for feedback. Here are some comments (I'll forward more if people make them):

From Tracy:

hi Jean,
I've only had a chance to watch the Bode video. Nice work! You should do well at a Skyhoundz event since your dog is a HOOVER! Catch ratio is important and you didn't have a single drop! (ah! I dream of those days)

Tracy & Angus

From Chris:

Hi Jean,

There are probably people here that can give a more detailed feedback, but here are a couple of points I noticed:

Manca and Bode:
- General disc placement is good. But the placement of the flips needs to get polished up a little. It’s not bad though.
- The dog seems to have a reliable retrieve, which is good. Watch out that he isn’t going to drop the disc too early, that will cause difficulties on the disc management.
- I noticed that the dog doesn’t always pull up his rear legs very high. It’s not very bad here, but it might become more serious on a more vertical jump, then he is more likely to crash. Again, it really isn’t much, but it’s something to keep an eye on. Do you know how to train on this?
- It lacks creativity. Experiment with different grips and releases. An overhand wristflip is a basic throw which is a good addition on your arsenal.
Also try to vary your throwing length and directions. They’re mostly 15 yard throws. You might try to get some work on a quicker inside game, to get some contrast in the game.
The flips, overs and weaves are quite standard. I’d like to see a little more personality in those moves, try to make them more dynamic. The over for example isn’t really an over, he hardly jumps over the foot. You might find a body position where he clearly jumps over the body, with a little more height. That makes the move a lot more impressive.
- Music choice. I know, this is very personal, but I mention it anyway. This song fits great for Tracy Custer for example, but doesn’t seem to fit you guys (in my opinion). Experiment with different kinds of genres and rhythms. Music choice is very important if you’re going to compete.

Maja and Bri:
- Disc placement and timing is a little off. Keep working on this, it’s VERY important. When practicing, find a spot where you can aim on (like a tree or so), and try to hit it. Train it with every grip/release you know. 100 throws a day until the competition and you’ll rock Wink
On the flip placement, I recommend to throw it back a little further. A good point to aim at is above the dog’s rear legs, about 2-3 times the dog’s height. Of course, the ideal spot varies per dog.
- Retrieval. I’ve seen far worse, but definitely keep an eye on this. An instant drop of the disc on 20+ yard throws can mess up your disc management pretty badly.
- Your dog is awesome! His/her jumps look very clean Smiley and he/she has a good drive.
- Dynamics. The presentational thingies (is there a name for such kind of moves/tricks??) like your opening session and the part where the dog jumps over your arm look a little static. Loosen up a bit and try to find a little showmanship, that will really highlight these moves.
- You have some nice moves in your arsenal. The multiple session looks cool (but you might try to make it a little more dynamic by taking a different body position to make it look even better), and the overs (or were they vaults? Hard to see) are really nice! Next time try to throw the disc instead of holding it, then it looks awesome!
- The music fits well to your dog. The rhythm corresponds to the rhythm of your dog’s stride. However, don’t hesitate to experiment on this.

Overall I think you guys are doing really well! You’ve definitely accomplished a lot for beginners! Good luck at the competition Smiley

Chris








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Odgovori #573 : 09 Januar 2008, 10:30:09
Tole so pa celi romani napisani  :D. Midve zaradi grdega vremena že 3 dni nisva nič trenirali  :(. Bova danes probali med agility treningom, če bo podlaga dobra za skoke in odrive.

Me pa nekaj zanima. Je pri freestyle bolje metati na kratki razdalji ali dolgi? Je bolje, da gre pes 20+ metrov stran ali ne? Midve sva do sedaj delali na krajših razdaljah, da sem lahko več metov in trikcev vključila. Se mi zdi, da ima Buffy odriva dovolj (tudi z mesta), tako da kar se "poletov" čez nogo ali mene tiče, nima problemov. Če slučajno ne more poleteti brez dotika, si pa pomaga z odrivom  :D.


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Odgovori #574 : 09 Januar 2008, 10:54:02
Uhhh, en kup informacij  ;D hvala Jean.

Jean, kako bi naučila da Bode zadnje noge dvigne pri dolgih metih, meni se velikokrat le stegne... (kar je omenil tudi Chris).

Tudi midva sva včeraj imela Day-off, ampak upam da mi danes časovno uspe narediti kak trening.
Vsekakor si morem malo DVD pogledat, za kako idejo.



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Odgovori #575 : 09 Januar 2008, 11:50:48
Če imaš čas pobrskat po internetu, je cel kup posnetkov  :o. Men so velikokrat prišli zelo prav. Sem dobila veliko idej  ;)


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Odgovori #576 : 09 Januar 2008, 11:53:05
ful dobro tile komentarji, super, Jean!  :D

no, kar se imen metov tiče, jaz res pojma nimam kako se kaksen imenuje, ampak predvidevam, da so "multiplies" tisti, ki sem jih 5 frizbijev zaporedoma vrgla proti Bri? ja...tega sploh nisva še nikoli delale, vmes sem se spomnila, da bi lahko še to poskusila, pa je tako prišlo ven...ko gledam svoj posnetek tega, se mi zdi, da tudi Bri še ni navajena takih metov, zato ima tako držo telesa in se tudi malo umika nazaj. Bom poskusila izboljšati moje mete in njeno držo (ker meni ni vsec)  ::)


ja, Jean, bom zelo vesela, če mi boš pokazala še kaksno različico meta!  :o Ves, da prov uživam v tem, ker vem da se moram potruditi tako za dobre mete, kot tudi za usklajenost in iznajdljivost, kar pa se lahko vidi na posnetkih, da se še lovimo!

In ja..se bom potrudila in se ravnala po Chrisovem nasvetu (100 throws a day until the competition and you’ll rock), ampak bom poskusila vsaj 50 metov, ker imam čisto premalo frizbijev, in bi res se morala sprehajati gor-dol in pobirat frizbije celo dopoldne  :D

kakšna ideja, kako bi Bri pripravila do tega, da drži frizbi toliko časa v gobcu dokler dejansko ne rečem "spusti"? zaenkrat prakticiram to, da laufam stran in ji govorim "prinesi"...ko imam v roki samo en frizbi (za distance), mi ga prinese tm dva metra pred mano ali bližje (celo v roko). Pri freestylu pa, ker vidi druge frizbije v rokah, pa vmes kar spušča frizbi na tla (pa jo potem nazaj pošljem po frizbi iskat,vendar se očitno res ne obnese) ??? any idea?

Danes zjutraj nama je uvod res odlično uspel...recimo da se bomo konec tedna spet posneli!  ;D če bo opaziti kakšno razliko!  ;D


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Odgovori #577 : 09 Januar 2008, 12:19:17
More commentary, this time from Ron:

Chris gave some good advice...

Bode:
Overs and passes are either too late or borderline too late. They must be thrown before the dog leaps, in the case of overs or before the dog crosses the plane of the handler.

If there's one error that is common amongst discdoggers it's throwing too late.

Also the handler needs to move...MOVE!!! run around have fun. She's growing roots there... also, have her be more expressive when picking up discs... she looks un-enthused.

One more thing, hook the parking/scoot (backing up between the handler's legs) to a flip, then to an over. That's a totally doable sequence that will give her that interior flash that Chris mentions above.

Teach it like this:
Scoot...handler wheels 180 degrees...Wait...flip...wait. .. leg over... As it gets real solid, squeeze them together and lose the wait. There's some good footage of that on the Yukon video in multimedia. Waiting creates clarity in complex behavior chains.

Bri:
Too late on overs and passes... Did I tell you that I only had to learn two phrases in each language to teach seminars: too late and too low. su spade & su tif...moc nisko & moc puzno (sp)... moc nisco & moc posde (sp)

Very, very common mistake.

Try through...wait...flip link it with through...wait...flip - she can tick tock that dog like that, if you know what I mean.

Also, the groundwork with the roll overs... drop a flip on the end of that. It'll look great.

I agree with Chris... when she starts to throw those overs and vaults... whooo!

Have fun...

Cheers,
Ron



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Odgovori #578 : 09 Januar 2008, 12:31:15
I won't comment much myself here since I'm really out of it--sorry--if there are still questions remind me again in a few days when I'm healthier.

Ron is definitely right about the problem with throwing too late. It's very common. It's been a constant problem with me throwing to Lyra on vaults and overs--I'm way too late with the disc, she doesn't have a chance of snagging it in the air, she's already on her way down while the disc is just leaving my hand. When I tried some overs at Sabine's seminar all I heard was "too late" "too late" "too late" after every throw.  :-\ The judges commented on it, too, in the scoresheet from Poland. Getting a little better now though.  :)

Aja, re cacy's questions on length of throws in freestyle--I think the key is to use a variety of distances (as a couple of other people mentioned, too). It's good to put in a few longer throws now and again, to showcase your dog's speed and also give you a chance to recover discs. I always put in a long throw at the conclusion of a set of moves and scurry around gathering up discs while Lyra is off chasing it.

Yeah, there are ways of teaching a dog to jump differently but I'm not sure I'm enough of an expert to be much help here.

More another time, I'm haf-dead and need to use my remaining energy to take the doggies out. They're very deprived today.



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Odgovori #579 : 10 Januar 2008, 20:03:52
Meni malo potrpelja primankuje, sploh ko gledam vse te filmčke na YouTube, kjer ljudje res obvladajo :o :-[
Ampak ok, probat mormo 1x  :D

Petrca, je kej novega glede plačila Agilitya? A frisbee lahko tam plačamo?



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Odgovori #580 : 11 Januar 2008, 07:31:54
Za agility sem še 2x pisala in nobenega odgovora  >:(. Poleg tega za nakazilo štartnine preko banke manjkajo podatki. Zaradi njihovih pomanjkljivosti ne bom plačevala še enkrat višjo provizijo. Sem ugotovila, da tudi celotnega imena banke niso napisali  :-\. Če prav razumem iz napisanega na njihovi spletni strani, je banka OTP (vsaj ta mi je znana). Kar je napisano naprej, ne najde nikjer (Monori fiók)  ???. Glede agility-ja sem pisala tudi Petru (frizbi organizator). Ko (če) karkoli izvem, sporočim.


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Odgovori #581 : 11 Januar 2008, 08:54:36
Če mene vprašaš ko sem malo gledala banke je to OTP Fiok banka s sedežem v Monorju.
Še link
http://www.vendegvaro.hu/gen



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Odgovori #582 : 11 Januar 2008, 10:10:17
Tudi meni niso se odgovorili. To je njihov problem. Jaz ne bom placala dokler ne dajajo tocne informacije v anglescini.

Mi bomo sli ze v petek dopoldne in potovali preko Hrvaske.



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Odgovori #583 : 11 Januar 2008, 10:16:00
Vse sorte različice so, zato čakam na 100% odgovor z Madžarske strani.
Napisanih imam že 5 različnih SWIFT kod. Dokler ne dobim točnih podatkov, ne bom ničesar nakazovala  :P.


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Odgovori #584 : 11 Januar 2008, 10:35:16
sem še mal spraševala za tole banko in prišla do naslova:

OTP Monori fiók
Kossuth u. 88/b
2200 Monori

Še mal...pa pridem še do SWIFT kode  ;D.


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Odgovori #585 : 11 Januar 2008, 10:53:00
Sem vidla da mi ni ok linka prilepilo.

Evo še seznam vseh Swiftov madžarskih bank
http://www.mnb.hu/Resource.aspx?ResourceID=mnbfile&resourcename=sht_htm

Je pa hecno, isti naslov, ampak ime banke je pa drug  ::)
10103843 BUDAHUHB    24 Budapest Bank Nyrt. Monori fiók 2200 Monor, Kossuth L. u. 73.



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Odgovori #586 : 11 Januar 2008, 14:35:06
Mi imamo npr. pod tem SWIFTom banko (z njenimi podružnicami)
Budapest Bank Rt.

Pol pa vedi, kaj je prav  :-\

Na uradni strani OTP banke sem najdla podatke, ki so mal višje napisani. Čudno mi je, da se tam in v datoteki, ki jo je prilepila terry, razlikujeta tudi številki naslova (88/b in 73)  ::).
Kakorkoli. Jaz se ne grem več detektiva. Čakam na njihov odgovor  :P



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Odgovori #587 : 11 Januar 2008, 20:43:49
sem še malo googlala po njihovi strani....

https://www.otpbank.hu/OTP_Portal/online/BE01010101000000.jsp#iban1

SWIFT identifier (BIC) of OTP Bank Rt., which is OTPVHUHB.

Account number: 117420562000186900000000
IBAN: HU15117420562000186900000000

Itak pa je glede na vso "mučko" res bolje počakati na direktne info.



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Odgovori #588 : 11 Januar 2008, 21:50:09
terry, brez veze se matrat in iskat. Sama sem že nehala, ker se mi ne da ubadat s stvarmi, ki bo jih mogli drugi narest ::).

Jst sm se glede tega obrnila na Petra (organizator frizbi tekmovanja). Danes zvečer se dobijo vsi skupaj in bo povprašal glede plačil agility-ja za tujce. Rekel (oz. napisal) je, da načeloma ne bi smel biti problem, če plačamo na licu mesta  :o. Ko dobim ponovni odgovor, sporočim  ;)


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Odgovori #589 : 11 Januar 2008, 22:43:12
Ja upam, da bomo lahko kar tam plačali... to bi blo super 8)
petrca, a bomo kak vajin filmček tud dočakal? ;D



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Odgovori #590 : 12 Januar 2008, 11:54:14
Sem imela dons lep namen najin programček posnet. Pa zunaj dežuje  >:( :(. Lahko ga pa pokaževa v nedeljo na agility predstavitvi  :o.
Med tednom sicer trenirava, ampak je žal pretemno, da bi se posnelo  :-[. Se mi je pa včeraj zgodilo, da Buffy ni hotela spustit frizbija pred odskokom za polet čez hrbta. In kaj se je zgodilo...v gobcu je kar naenkrat imela 2 frizbija  :o. A za kaj takega dobiš ekstra pike  :D ?

Kar se tiče agility-ja v Abony-ju je Peter napisal, da lahko vsa vprašanja naslovite kar nanj. Se bo najhitreje razrešilo  ;).
Še vedno pa nimam končnega odgovora glede našega plačila štartnine  ??? :-[.


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Odgovori #591 : 12 Januar 2008, 19:59:43
Jst sem danes probala mal frizbije metat po tepihu... žal je Bode ful nesiguren na tepihu, flipov sploh ni delu (ni se nič odrivu, samo obrnil na mestu)... tko da ne vem kako bo to zgledal v Abonyu :-\ :'(
Pa edino v flipe sm bla sigurna da jih zna  ::) :-[

Jutri bo treba še malo trenirat ja... ::)



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Odgovori #592 : 12 Januar 2008, 21:08:37
Dobila sem odgovor od Petra glede plačila za agility tekmovanje:

Today i was talk with the organizer of "Federation Agility Cup".
He say: naturally you can pay in the competition,
together with the registration.
Sorry for the complicated entry, he speak english not enough.

So if you have questions, then please write to me.


Evo...pa so naše skrbi glede plačila končane  :o.

Midve bova tepih povadle jutr. Ampak zaenkrat ni imela nobenih zadržkov glede skokov in teka po tepihu. Bomo vidli, kako bo tokrat  ;).


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Odgovori #593 : 12 Januar 2008, 21:26:47
a torej lahko plačamo agility in frizbi takso tam, na licu mesta?

tudi jaz imam namen jutri na tepihu malo povadit frizbije...toliko da Bri dobi občutek, in jaz tudi, kako ji moram potem metat :-\



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Odgovori #594 : 13 Januar 2008, 21:07:07
Kako je slo na tepihu?

No, zdaj sem tudi jaz dobila zelo prijazen odgovor od organizaterjev agility:

"Dear Jean,

- payment is possible personally on the spot. Best will be
in Hungarian Forint, but Euro will be also accepted. If you
choose payment in Euro please try to prepare the exact
amount ,  probably we will not have change on the event.
-Team entry: Just send an e-mail with the name  of members
and the two teams you wish to register.
- Multiple registration and aussie's name are fixed.
-As Monica is 16 years old, she can compete in junior category.

Please don't hesitate to write me with any question you may
have.
Looking forward to see you.

István"

Kaj mislite glede ekipe? Bodo kaksna Ovcarska ekipa, pa ostali (Buffy, Lyra, Gayo)?  Ali mesamo drugace? Oli je pod vprasajem glede agilityja, tako da nje ne bi vkljucila. Ne vem, ce bo pripravljena, zadnje case ne treniramo (spet) zaradi vremena in zdravja. Ce bo tekmovala v Abonyu, bo ta njena prva tekma.



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Odgovori #595 : 14 Januar 2008, 07:45:42
Prvi del odgovora sem dobila tudi jaz. Zgleda je Peter v petek govoril z Istvanom  ;D.

Glede ekip je meni vseeno s kom sem. Bi bilo pa dobro čimprej sporočiti  ;).

Na tepihu ni šlo tako, kot ponavadi zunaj  :-[. Je bil pa tepih zelo gladek. Flipe je dobro lovila, tudi skoke je dobro delala, le pri metih ni lovila v zraku. Pa spet se je zgodilo, da enega frizbija ni hotla spustit in je imela ob pristanku v gobcu 2  :D.


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Odgovori #596 : 14 Januar 2008, 10:30:04
Ja na tepihu definitivno ni tako kot zunaj...
Tudi midva sva malo potrenirala, pa je bilo včeraj boljše kot v soboto.
Upam, da se bo dalo tam v soboto (naprimer po agilityu) tudi kaj frizbi potrenirat, da bojo psi videli kaj jih čaka ;D

Tole glede plačila je super ;D Koliko je štartnina potem v €?? A frizbi lahko tudi tam plačamo ane? (bom drobižek vzela) ;D
Glede skupin, je tudi meni vseeno kdo je s kom ;D (nama z Bodejem gre v dvorani ZELOO slabo :'()

Drugače pa jst iščem še vedno kako dobro glasbo, če ima kdo kak predlog :) ;)



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Odgovori #597 : 14 Januar 2008, 11:12:52
Za agility bom jaz imela HUF-e. Ko sem šla pred 2 leti po Bafko, mi je še nekaj ostalo in se mi zdi, da je ravno za agility dovolj  ;D. Mogoče bo še za kakšno pijačko ostal. Moram doma preverit.


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Odgovori #598 : 16 Januar 2008, 12:36:54
Jih je kar nekaj prijavljenih za frisbee. Ogromno cehov, to bo zanimivo. Ena cehinja (ki je ne poznam, ostale sem vecinoma ze srecala) ima Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever. :o Skoda, ker ne gresta Azu in Wi z nami.  :( Pridejo tudi iz Poljske. Eva Lukasik ima border collie psarno na Poljskem (http://www.bordercollie.pl/index.php), bo imela 4 pse s sabo. Je zelo prijazna, sem jo srecala v Pragi in v Wroclawu. Pride tudi en mudi, Pletyka (lastnica je Madzarkinja). Je ne poznam ampak ime mi je bilo znano od nekje, potem sem ugotovila, da jo je Silvia omenila na svoji spletni strani (trenira namrec running contacts in je Silvia dala link na en video). Zanimivo, je ne najdem na startni listi za agility, ampak samo za frisbee.

A Gayo gre samo na agility, ne frisbee?



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Odgovori #599 : 16 Januar 2008, 12:39:30
Ja Gayo gre samo agility... Se je Mojca odločila da bo tokrat frisbee samo gledala, drugič pa šla tudi tekmovat :)

Jean, Kako naj naučim Bodeja da pri lovlenju dviguje zadnje noge?? Imaš kako idejo?